you should get out more. sounds like have you no fashion sense. go to facebook.com/team cavuto. whether you have a fashion sense or not, we'd love to hear from you, share some of the thoughts tomorrow. thanks for watching, good night. john: what helps people more, government or charity? >> definitely charity. >> definitely. >> charity. >> charity. >> charity. >> charity gave these students hope. >> coming positive role models. john: are some charities gimmicks? >> grow a mustache for movember this year. [ screaming ] . john: you been the als ice bucket challenge? >> i do. john: what does als stand for? so what if some people don't know. charities still create happiness. ♪
. john: there are three ways to help people who need help, government can try to do it. give people money, start programs. charities do that too, and i'd say they're better at teaching people how to help themselves. there's the saying goes teach a man to fish. then there's a third way, i think it's the best way. i'll get to that later in the show. but first let's debate the first two. when i was in college, president lyndon johnson declared all-out war on human poverty. he said for the first time in our history, it's possible to conquer poverty. i believe him then but i watched his poverty programs create more poverty. governments spent trillions of dollars and people are still poor. people on the left say the money was still worth it. look at this chart. he chose that the poverty rate fell sharply after the war on poverty began. that's great, but wait, he
extends the chart back a few years to when data was kept on the poverty rate. you notice it was already falling. just as fast. but then it stopped falling about seven years after the war on poverty began. history professor david bado says that's because government encouraged poor americans to be dependent on government and stay poor. but my counsel at the roosevelt institute says no, we need more government aid. more? you almost want more, you guys. trillions isn't enough? >> let's talk about the balance between charity and government. there's never been a period where it was just private charity. the government's always been involved whether it was civil war pensions or mother pensions or the poor house or bankruptcy laws. never a purely private space. john: but it was 99% private.
the government was tiny. >> we had a voluntary sector able to provide social insurance. we shouldn't romanticize the past. they provide funeral benefits, maybe sick days, maybe if you are in a big city. >> and we grew the country, became the most prosperous country in the world. from third world to first world. >> what destroyed that is the great depression, when people couldn't work or find jobs, they need more charity, and charity couldn't raise money at that time. so you saw whole system of voluntary societies trying to balance people against the risks of economic life get wiped out. john: david, he said that proved that government has to step in? >> i don't think it proves it at all. you don't want to have governmental policies that cause ten years of double digit
employment that you had with hoover and roosevelt and intervention as policies. i disagree about the characterization of the mutual aid organizations that i've written about. i've looked at 65 fraternal societies, mutual aid groups that provided social welfare. >> you've written a book about this. >> only five ceased operation during the great depression. in fact, at the end of the great depression they were devoting more money to social welfare than before the great depression. what hurt them was you had ten years of double digit unemployment, so people couldn't pay dues. you can't carry people in the roles. >> explain the mutual aid societies. >> mutual insurance organizations, you pay membership dues like you do to the american automobile club or professional organization. they would provide sick benefits, really from health insurance, some had hospitals. some of them had orphanages.
some had homes for the elderly. john: step in when they saw people needed help. they could make judgments. this guy, no, needs to work harder. government, mike, can't do that. government just gives money to everybody who qualifies, and hence that chart that shows the poverty rate went down and gone up and down ever since. we taught people to depend on government and we made them passive. >> well, one thing that is important is funding does increase, the government takes over the risks of poverty and old age and the real economic risks of the business cycle. system may have worked well in the late 19th century, we live in a system where whole industries disappear because of an app on a phone. economic security has gone up. it doesn't mean that you need a deeper set of pockets in order to sustain people's ability to transition through jobs, the life cycle and retire with
basic decency and basic amount of money to get by. john: david, seems all wrong to me. >> there was not one best system, there were fraternal societies, institutions of self-help. there was private old age insurance, into early form of the individual retirement account that was banned during the progressive era called tontine insurance. john: otherwise roosevelt wouldn't have created social security. >> given the circumstances they face during the great depression created by government policies and prolonged by government policies, the roosevelt administration and the hoover administration, i think these organization did well. john: you love social security but it's bankrupt. >> there's a small spending gap. president obama's proposed cutting it a bit. he wants republicans to raise taxes to cut it in half. manageable sizable gap. allows private charity to thrive.
when you take the difficult problems of how we solve poverty in old age, how we solve insurance against the business cycle, charity can focus on nimble, targeted, humanistic things, as a theologian would say charity isn't about money, it's about actions, brotherhood and lot. you can't substitute that for social insurance which requires a lot of money. john: but there's so much more money now than there was during the great depression there. are billionaires who have billions that they're looking to do something with. >> and want to donate it to harvard and want their name on an opera. john: if there wasn't the bloated welfare bureaucracy, they would step in and fix that, too. >> if you talk to food banks in new york after the sequestration cut food insurance, they're worried about cuts to food stamps, they don't think private money is going to automatically flush in. >> you eliminated social capital which has spillover effects. you have rich social networks in the neighborhoods.
many of the networks no longer exist precisely because of the rise of the welfare and regulatory state, where you destroyed a lot of job opportunities. john: if there wasn't all this government, do you agree that the private sector would just leap in? >> i think it would, people are resourceful. blacks after the civil war, freed from slavery recently, but they created two-parent family systems. they had a network of mutual aid organizations they created. very vibrant. despite the fact they're incredibly low incomes, not ideal by any means, but i think people are more resourceful than we give them credit for and find that among the immigrant groups as well who created mutual aid organizations. john: if you listen to the media and the political class, mike has won, at a time when almost every politician says something like this. >> create jobs and make sure that wages and benefits are
such that families can rebuild a little bit of security. >> we have a plan to lift people out of poverty. >> the last guy from straliasm the instinct of the politician to say this is the government's job, and people believe that. >> this is the way politicians win votes and win elections. >> these can exist and work together. i think we do a disservice to put the state and charitable sectors in strong opposition, they're good partners in building an economically secure system. john: as state grows, it doesn't shrink? >> charitable giving make a huge difference and building up individuals and communities. it's not having to worry about things like how do we provide sick days for people, which is a difficult process for small individuals to do in small groups. john: government should require that. >> we see that it largely works elderly poverty -- john: largely doesn't work, but
thank you, mike and david to join this debate. tweet me at fbn stossel and use the hashtag real charity, or "like" my facebook page so you can post on my wall. we want to know what you think. as i said, big government crowded out a lot of charities and mutual aid societies, but many like the masons, the red cross are still around, and one of the biggest and most respected is -- the charity this woman is raising money for, the salvation army, it's a great charity. and this woman is clearly happy in her work, the salvation army runs after-school programs, day care programs, rehab programs and much more. james betts is general secretary in new york. james, i think you're more effective than government because when people come to you, you can make a judgment. this person really needs help.
this person maybe is trying to freeload. you don't have to treat everyone the same. >> we don't treat everyone the same, we're very excite to have an opportunity to figure out who they are and what their needs really are. and hopefully as a result of meeting them and having time to talk with them, we can begin to help them become part of community, and i think a lot of the help for people that goes beyond our resources is when neighbor is able to help them or family member or someone that cares about them. makes a big difference. john: you will go with them and try to introduce them to neighbors who might help? >> it can be that, sometimes that is the case. sometime we're in the homes of the folks we're work with and sometimes it's a community that happens at the salvation army. may be through soup kitchen, not just folks who are hungry that are there, but sometimes fellowship and looking for community and frankly relationships, they may be sitting next to someone who has an ability to help them.
john: so a wealthy person can ask for free food, you won't turn them away. >> if they come during hot meals program, that's a thing. a lot of the time senior adults who live alone or looking for fellowship. certainly we wouldn't turn them away. we need not only the people in need but people that are able to help those in need as well. and as long as our programs involve both sides of that fence, we believe a lot of the solutions come out of relationships. john: if a family gets evicted, you don't take them down to the welfare office and try to get them government housing? >> there will be times we'll help them access the resources in existence. we don't have enough resources to provide for every single person that comes through our door. we'll help them to access those resources, but there are other times we're able to help them before they get evicted to catch up on a rent or make a payment, and at the same time, sit down and figure out what got us here. john: you made them pay a
month's rent and help them get a job. >> absolutely, we may pay a month's rent, figure out is there a pattern here, something else going in life causing difficulty that we might be able to address. john: you're a christian group, to volunteer or get services do you have to pray? >> absolutely not. we want to make sure that all of our services are available to everybody without discrimination, regardless of what someone believes or agree with me and everything they believe, at the end of the day, we're called to be our neighbor's keeper, called to watch out for those struggling to watch out for themselves. john: thank you, james. next time someone pays me to give a speech, i'll give you guys the money. i know you will use it well. i've researched these charities and if you look at salvation army, almost all the money goes not for paperwork but goes to the people who need it. next, another charity that works better than government
. >> i came a long way from being in the streets, being a destructive young man, and i'm going to become a positive role model to a lot of the guys in the school building. john: and that school building is in a prison. the government used to offer pell grants to prisoners but mostly stopped because 20 years ago president clinton decided that taxpayers shouldn't be forced to fund college for prisoners. so a charity called hudson link stepped into offer courses in some places. here's one of their professors. >> you know what's great about it, you walk into the classroom, they're all in place. they've done the reading, they're prepared and they're excited and interested and really want to discuss what they've read. as a teacher that's great. john: that's english professor joanne and teaches at sing sing, you are also a college professor and the prison students are more into it? >> they are, i think they're more interested because they
know this is the oasis in a long stretch of being in prison and know this is the four or maybe five years that they'll have to study, and they love it, and they get everything out of it that they can. they read everything two or three times. john: it wasn't always this way, when government just granted money for schools and prisons, what was different? >> they went to class because it was something to do, it was an entitlement, wasn't costing them anything, they took classes they thought would be interesting. a time to get together with their friends and maybe they did well and maybe they didn't. john: they didn't try? >> yeah, it was something to do. john: the current head of the charity was once a prisoner at sing sing himself, he took college classes in prison but didn't work hard. he did when the charity took over. >> you have to want to be there. it's not forced on you, you're not even encouraged to take it.
you have to fight to get in. the waiting list is three years long. each man has to pay $10 per semester. that doesn't sound like much, when you are making 18 cents an hour, that's 75's perfect the regular income. john: now they have to work harder but compete to get in the program? >> they do, they have to be two years ticket free, two years without disciplinary infractions in an institution where -- john: this is a maximum-security prison. >> maximum security. two years ticket free, they have to have a job, they have to be employed went facility. we have a three-year waiting period. they also give up their yard time, which i think is significant, in addition to paying the $10 per semester from their own money for tuition. they're giving up fun time. i make them accountable for what they're doing, someone is donating to go to school and they take it seriously,
appreciate it very much. they're very respectful, and it's wonderful for them to know that somebody believes in them. somebody believes that they can succeed and they do everything they can to measure up. john: sing sing and hudson link and mercy college hold their graduation ceremony at the prison. you may notice a familiar face in the audience here. >> hudson link lifted me up into life full of education and revived me and gave me a second chance at life. hudson link had mercy on me. i'm forever grateful, and i promise to make the best of this new life. john: that graduate is now out of prison, got out a few months ago and was accepted into grant school, and the people we saw in the audience, warren buffett -- >> and his sister doris, she is our biggest donor, she believes in these men, started to do it for a couple of years to help
those who were already going to school when the pell grants were taken away, and one of our professors is a friend of doris buffet and told her about it, she agreed to help them finish up and was so impressed that she continued to donate to the program and she's our biggest supporter. john: when i hear about the prison programs, i'm skeptical, because the recidivism rate is so high. we're going to train them, but again and again they end up back in prison. not your graduates? >> no, the national recidivism rate is 68% after three years, 68% of parolees are in prison after three years. 77% after five years. but our program, 1.4%. we had 272 graduates have been released and only three have gone back in 15 years. john: and 96% are gainfully employed? >> yes, 96% gainfully employed. john: that is great, charity is
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. >> grow a mustache for movember this year. >> and be sure to tell your friends this mustache is a movember mustache. john: last month, celebrities told men to grow mustaches to raise awareness for men's health. idea started in australia and caught on globally, it's supposed to get people to talk about prostate cancer and men's mental health. the website asks people to donate to movember, mustache-november, and the video campaign reached lots of people, not me, i've had this
thing for years, but lots of men tried mustaches in november, but how many donated money? most didn't. and that's why the founder of this social media website sumpto calls charity contributions like that slacktivism. >> it's where people replace a monetary donation with social post. for example, if you post something on facebook, you may value that at $10, if i tweet about something, value that subconsciously at $20, and subtract that amount to the reasonable donation to the charity. john: really? >> for the first time in our lives, social media profiles, facebook, instagram are a direct reflection who we are off-line, when people post something about charity, they think they're donating when
sometimes they are participating. john: i like this ad from unicef. "like" us on facebook, that's what you do, "like" it. "like" us on facebook, we'll vaccinate zero children. >> definitely. it was a head-on marketing effort, smart, and it was saying if you want to help, donate money, don't "like" us on facebook, follow us on twitter. "likes" aren't going to save a children, monetary contributions will. john: still this stupid movember mustache campaign did raise 22 million dollars. >> definitely, celebrities have done amazing markets effort and people get behind it because it's fun, and guys can relate to it. use an excuse to grow a mustache. however, it has almost diluted the message, and the message is saturated that people forget what it's all about, and why they're doing it. john: but they get the money. the most famous slacktivism
campaign is the ice bucket challenge. >> nominated by zack and eric, here we go. ah! ah! ah! [ laughter ]. john: once you've been challenged, you're supposed to pour ice water over your head within 24 hours. if you don't douse yourself with ice water you donate $100 to the als association. lots of celebrities did this. [ screaming ] . john: and some also did donate money. thousands of noncelebrities did this too, and yet if you ask people. >> what does als stand for? >> i didn't know for sure. you got me now. >> als, i know the ice bucket challenge, als maybe not. john: lot of people didn't know, but they raised money. >> yeah, over 100 million. john: compared with -- which is 20 times the previous year, but that was the campaign. >> it was amazing campaign, for
a variety of factors. john: how can you criticize that? >> i'm not criticizing it. all i'm saying is awareness to a certain extent doesn't really do much. think of a glass and water is awareness, once it starts overflowing, the awareness doesn't have that much impact. what's your fun, going on donate screen, click on donate, no one pats out back, no one says great job. i can go on facebook, create a video, tag my friends, get the social encouragement. that's a lot more fun. john: promote myself. >> self-promotion, instagram, gram and it didn't happen, take a picture, didn't happen. that's where we are as a society. however, people forget to actually donate a monetary contribution. john: before the als campaign, the biggest example of slacktivism was the coney 2012 video. >> it is said to be the most viral video in history, getting
more than 100 million views in just under a week. >> one day, he'll kill us. >> he has an army, okay, and he takes children from their parents and gives them a gun to shoot, and he makes them shoot and kill other people. john: and kony does this. what does he accomplish? >> right when social media was exploding, a great way for people to be connected with fans and celebrities. you saw these amazing celebrities tweeting about the video, and fans were sharing and retweeting it, they felt like they were a part of something. as humans we yearn to be part of the communities, feel part of something bigger than ourselves. really didn't contribute that much. people didn't fully understand
it. john: kony is still unfound. >> yeah, unfortunately, but it does show when people come together, we can make great things happen as we've seen in previous charitable campaigns. >> but nothing great happened here. >> in this case, people learned saying maybe instead of posting about something online, i should become informed about it and on top of that donate. john: the united states has several hundred soldiers searching central african republic for kony, so far unsuccessfuly. thank you, ben kosinski. coming up, the best way to help people, better than government, better than charity, too.
ancient mayans predicted. nothing can turn back the time. life as we know will end. john: how can we teach anyone to fish if there are no more fish, but actually. >> our world is -- >> getting better. poverty rates are in decline, crime rates are falling and fewer people are dying of cancer. across the globe, people are living longer, making more money and working less. conditions for everyone have vastly improved and continue to do so. john: that video is on the website human progress.org, marianne runs the site. human progress for making progress. >> making progress across the board. human progress tries to bring together as many statistics on human well-being as possible, some of them are known to most people, longevity is increasing, higher rates of education even in places like
afghanistan. john: because of free markets? >> because of free markets. the martha, lous us to communicate with one another, exchange ideas and learn from one another. and this interaction that we are able to produce ever more goods and ever more sophisticated goods for more people at a cheaper price. john: and americans view the free market as ruthless competition, you grew up in czechoslovakia, which was envisioned as we, the people, the communists were all in this together. >> yes, it was slightly different economic system than we have here in the united states. and as a kid, i remember empty shops, you know, misery everywhere and, of course the lack of political freedoms. but now, thanks to the free market reforms that have taken place over the last 25 years, central and eastern europe, not to mention india and china are doing much better than the past.
john: human progress, they have charts documenting this perhaps. this is the most impressive, life expectancy, what measures things better than that. for years, people died at age 30, only recently, once you got private property and economic freedom does the line go up to 65. >> prior to the industrial revolution, throughout the history of our species, life expectancy was around 25 years, but once industrial revolution took people off the land, we were able to generate much more energy and, of course, feed many more people. you know, the population of the united states has increased by 21,000% between 1600 and 2010, and yet, 98% decline in the number of people who work in agriculture. john: and their lives are better, and yet few americans get that free markets make life
better. many looked at me like i was nuts when i asked this. what helps people more? capitalism or charity? >> capitalism might be the problem that creates so many poor people. john: capitalism is the problem? why don't they get it? >> a number of reasons, the most obvious is education, when children taught from early age that capitalism is not only destructive but immoral, much less likely to support it. but also capitalism is a process and an outcome of trillions of decisions made by billions of people that came together in a spontaneous kind of way, so it is a little amorphous. john: invisible hand. >> it is the invisible hand and it's very difficult for a mind of a hunter gatherer to see. our minds have evolved, tens of
thousands of years ago when we lived in small groups of between 50 and 200 people. anti-capitalist impulse is going back to the hunter gatherer mentality, understanding the complexity of the market today. in a sense, the complexity of the economy has outpaced our ability to understand it. john: we can't see how we benefit from the actions of strangers? >> it is a little abstract but benefit from the benevolence of strangers driven by the profit motive, driven by supply and demand and the price mechanism. john: and when people really get involved in the aid world and bother to study the data. some understand that markets are superior, superior to charity. here's the singer, bono. >> rock star preaches capitalism. >> wow! sometimes i hear myself and i
can't believe it. [ laughter ] >> commerce is real. aid is just a stopgap. commerce, entrepreneurial capitalism takes more people out of poverty than aid. of course, we know that. john: took me a long time to get it. i give money to a charity in central park where he had a nasty bike accident. i hope you recover. but most people don't get this. >> it's very difficult to see people change their minds, when you see it, when people have the courage to do that. it's amazing to see. the original justification for foreign aid is meant to increase economic growth in africa. that didn't happen. john: we spent trillions, it hurt economic growth. >> it was a disincentive reform. if you have money coming from the west, there is no reason the african government should take the hard decision to deregulate the economy, and in exchange be accountable to that little class and the private
sector. many african governments have preferred to rely on foreign aid and keep autocracy, dictatorship and centrally planned economies which produced nothing but misery. john: and individuals are less likely to make shoes if big american shoe store is giving free shoes to everybody in the neighborhood. thank you, marian. another way capitalism helps people more than government or charity? you're down with crestor. yes! when diet and exercise aren't enough, adding crestor lowers bad cholesterol up to 55%. crestor is not for people with liver disease, or women who are nursing, pregnant, or may become pregnant. tell your doctor all medicines you take. call your doctor if you have muscle pain or weakness, feel unusually tired, have loss of appetite, upper belly pain, dark urine,
. john: what helps people more, charity or capitalism? >> i think the two can be connected. john: right, where there's a real free market, no government privileges, capitalism does more than charity, certainly more than big government. the premise of obamacare is that government must guarantee health insurance, but health insurance isn't great. it distorts markets, it raises prices. fortunately some medical clinics don't take health insurance. i sent producer ricky ratliffe to check one out in oklahoma. >> reporter: dr. keith smith runs the surgery center of
oklahoma, a private surgery clinic that posts prices online. >> in the waiting room, you look at menu and go okay. >> we don't get a health care menu in other places. >> yeah, to know going in everything is covered and parenthetically i didn't have to pay for $100 aspirin. isn't that cool? >> reporter: shoulder surgery costs $6,000. it would have cost five times that at the hospital. people can find out what the hospital will charge. >> we couldn't get a price quote from other hospitals. we would call and they looked at us with a blank stare, no one would give us a price. one day someone gave us a quote of around $15,000 and the price for this surgery was a third of that. >> reporter: he needed his bicep reattached after a canoeing incident. >> it was cheaper to pick up and move and pay rent in oklahoma city for two months and pay for cabs and buses than stay in new hampshire and get
surgery there. >> reporter: luke carter needed knee replacement. after searching for 40 hours he found one hospital that wanted a $26,000 deposit. >> wasn't another facility that would call me back and give me a price. >> reporter: dr. smith charged less than $8,000 for both knees. a hospital told linda, removing her gallbladder would cost $22,000. >> this was a fifth of the cost. >> reporter: the founder of the clinic joins us now. you must cut corners to be so much cheaper. >> i always like to hear that, because the prices you see on our website of what it costs to take care of patients. that's one of the big lies we've all been told and many believe is that health care is very expensive, when it really doesn't cost that much. john: how can you do knee replacements for two knees for $7,000 when the hospital is charging 50,000 bucks.
>> they've got to come up with the money for the extracurricular activities somewhere. >> and the paperwork, and massaging the government, and they pay their people more? do you have a higher infection rate? >> we have almost nonexistent infection rate we publish online. high prices indicate lack of competition, low prices indicate the healthy competition. john: when you first opened, you were surprised many of your patients were not from oklahoma, they were from canada. >> the first people who showed up, the first patients almost six years ago were canadians, they had health coverage but didn't have care, and coverage doesn't mean care, and they found that out the hard way. john: and on the phone, you told us when government gets involved, those charged with delivering care line their own pockets, what do you mean? >> when government gets involved to ostensibly help the
poor, the poor are seldom the beneficiary of the program. it's the big hospital where the folks are lining their pockets with all of this money. our prices that we have lists online are less than what medicaid pays the big hospitals. there's a lot of money to be made from these government programs that supposedly take care of the poor and their health care. john: and now that you've done this, say we don't take insurance, we post prices five other places near you began posting prices. >> yeah, there are so many now, we formed a national association. there's over 200 members of outfit called the free market medical association. these facilities are popping up all over the country, embracing the wisdom of the free market and applying that discipline to their own practice model. john: thank you, dr. smith. coming up, where i give my charity money? hope they don't squander it.
. john: not everyone can be taught to fish. the sick, the mentally ill and the truly helpless need to be taken care of. but why do most people assume government must do that? why not private charity? government doesn't do things very well. i thought there was too much poverty for private charity to make much of a difference, now
i realize there is plenty of money, and private charity would do much more if government didn't discourage it. today, there are fewer mutual aid societies because people say why do it myself? why try, when we have the big welfare bureaucracies? my taxes are paid for, obamacare, food vouchers, va, job training, loans for remedial education and so on. government poverty programs have so many rules, if i do it myself, the department of paperwork may say i did something wrong. i'll let the professionals handle it. but this is a bad idea because the professionals in government do such a lousy job. since charity usually does it better, i try to find charities that will use my money well when i give to this charity which provides free dvds of some of my videos of free
markets and give it to class and debate the principles behind them. a teacher's guide suggests lesson plans and worksheets, you might argue, stossel that is self-serving, you're promoting yourself. you have a point. i also give to other charities. how do i know they'll teach people to fish and spend my money well. there are charity rating services like guide star, the better business bureau but not always accurate. some aren't rated at all, and the rating services can get conned like the rest of us. scores rely on the data from the charities themselves. so i try to give my charity money to groups that i can check out myself. charities i can watch, it's where i give to the dough fund that does work with exconc, addicts and kids aging out of foster care.
instead of giving handouts, they retrain people to take responsibility for their own lives. >> they don't allow you to get food stamps or anything like that. they want you to be independent. john: i decided the dough fund did a good job, i could see the men, they call them men in blue, ready, willing and able, they do jobs like cleaning city streets. what struck me is they seem to do it without the usual reluctance. they had a spring in their step and worked pretty fast. i thought, whoever works with these guys does something right. they taught them to take pride in work. i give the dough fund money, and a couple other groups i can watch. this is the season for giving. don't forget charity doesn't just help others, it helps you, too. people who give feel happier, so give. but also let's not forget that the people who do the most for the poor are capitalists. honest once, the majority who create things rather than
feeding off government. they do more good for the world than charities and much more than the politicians who promise public service. that's our show. see you next week. keep it righ on fox business. lou: good evening, everybody. the white house today flaunting its imper yift expansion of power while not ruling out a visit for cuban dictator raul castro. white house press secretary josh earnest refused to answer whether president obama would invite and welcome castro to the white house. calling it, quote, a hypothetical question before confirming that the president doesn't really care what congressional leaders think about his unilateral actions. >> is the white house concerned about cuba, about republicans stopping treasury